How do you get someone to hate 911 truthers to the point they will stalk people?
http://forums.leagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=700
/retry New World Order discussion.
I tried to get into the last thread about this concept, but it seemed to be a cluster-fuck. I do not know much about the New World Order theories,
Dean Roger Ray:really you do not know much!
mostly because everyone who believes in it seems to have a differing opinion from each other.
DeanRoger Ray: The league of reason values opinion more than truth?
So, I would like to hear some discussion on what exactly is connected with the idea of a New World Order and who could agree with what concepts.
Dean Roger Ray: discussion is good !
From as far as I can gather, part of it includes the 9-11 conspiracy theory.
Dean Roger Ray: hold on you brag to be scientists which conspiracy theory???
Now, disbelief in such a conspiracy is purely skepticism, or I have yet to see any evidence against it.
Dean roger ray: what??!!! which conspiracy theory who wrote it where is it!
I do not believe in this personally,
Dean Roger Ray : I aggree you never mentioned who what where when why your basically relying on the word conspiracy to represent all theories!
yet I wish it were true in the sense that it would make George Bush and those associated with him all the more interesting historically.
Dean Roger RAy: More interesting historically you sound like the movie "fight club" where people just want to see hatred and violence. Where is the science this is an emotion and not a good one!
Also, FEMA camps has to do with it; however, I still do not know a shit about them.
Dean Roger Ray: please explain ...oops oh yeah it is a conspiracy theory and you mentioned that earlier! What about the fema camps I am interested!
Others I have heard of but know even less about are the Amero (Currency?), the universal I.D., NAFTA (Don't know how this ties in), and maybe a couple of others.
Dean Roger Ray: What is going on there? oh yeah it is another conspiracy like you mentioned before?
Anyway, I think it will provide some interesting conversation lest it goes off topic like it seemed the last thread did. Again, if you know what other ideas are connected with the NWO, present them. If you like or dislike any of the ideas, explain why.
Dean Roger Ray: is the last thread here? did you delete it.why? this information is not very knowledgeable!
Mon May 11, 2009 6:11 am
Aluman
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Re: /retry New World Order discussion.
While I do not think they were directly behind it, we do know (now) that Cheney and other did want some kind of event like 9/11 to occur so that they could basically fight whatever wars they wanted without worrying about it.
Dean Roger Ray : simplified 911 inside job perhaps?
However this isn't NWO.
Dean Roger RAy: really
NWO at its original state was the UN taking over the world.
Dean Roger RAy: http://web.archive.org/web/20041209155137/http://www.seanscreenplays.com/BeteNoireCD/Articles1/HIDDEN+POWER.htm
Which is a joke as the UN would have to put it to several subcomitties and at least one of the security council would veto it.
Dean Roger Ray : How did the oil for food scandle get through all those committies?
http://www.oilforfoodfacts.org/
Tue May 12, 2009 4:14 am
Kni7es
Posts: 1
Joined: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:20 pm
Re: /retry New World Order discussion.
New World Order conspiracy theories are a dynamic and varied cancer on our society. What any given NWO conspiracy theorist believes in is largely irrelevant because it will fluctuate from person-to-person as times change and events unfold. They draw upon any given instance of government secrecy and/or complexity, and correlate that with other (oftentimes) unrelated instances. For instance: a NWO conspiracy theorist can, through a marvelous display of mental gymnastics, correlate the Swine Flu epidemic with rumors of FEMA concentration camps.
The theories themselves are just as varied as the nuts who cook them up. What is more important is what they share in common. NWO conspiracies represent a way of looking at the world; an incredibly paranoid, yet remarkably lazy way of understanding how things work. The actual structure of civilization is an incredibly complex thing, and understanding it requires knowledge of the vast and dynamic governmental, social, and economic institutions that we are all a part of. Actually educating one's self about how the many branches of government work, as well as its subsidiary organizations, and the financial institutions, and social outlets like mass media, and so on and so fourth, requires a lot of time, mental exertion, and intellectual stamina.
Some people who just simply do not have the will or the capacity to learn about these things rationalize the world in a different way. Rather than the world being run by a complex network of governments, banks, businesses, firms, and people like you and me, they conclude that it is being run by a Shadow Government, or a New World Order. Everything else that they were too lazy or stupid to learn about are just puppets thrown up on a stage to distract us, while unseen forces manipulate their pawns from behind the curtain. None of that hard-to-understand stuff is real to them, it's all just part of one big simplified conspiracy.
Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:01 am
Artsysiridean
Posts: 95
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Re: /retry New World Order discussion.
Of all places that I first heard some of these things it was high school, a few kids having been hung up on this until the Da Vinci Code came along. I can still remember some of the things that caught my attention and made me skeptical of the world until a few moments later, when logic kicked in. As convoluted as all these things seem I'm rather surprised everyone tries to unite each other under a personal banner of what is and what isn't. It doesn't matter if these theories are true or false, they just seem to rely on each other more then anything.
I'll be frank, though. I do doubt some things concerning the government, but only in a very shallow sense. Living at the nations capital I've yet to see any hush hush goings on that could lead to giangantic scandals other then Bush feigning being a dimwit and our Metro system seeming to be as safe as riding on a Boeing 737. Things that piss me off are like "Teh stonemasons were secretive so they're all evil and runnin' shit'" as well as "X looks like X so X is X" because it's causes so many problems. One of which being people come by graveyards and sites that wouldn't be worth a damn if not for some mention involving one of these conspiracies, and property values skyrocket to impossiblity, happening everywhere every so often it's like playing the stock market.
Then there's being branded "brainwashed by x" because you live here, despite being otherwise off the radar thanks to (let's say) lots of political in-fighting and high crime rates that not even the Patriot Act can incur wrath upon. It's an ad hominem attack that hits hard because, as it's said before, sometimes conspiracy theorists are too lazy to come to well thought out conclusions. It not only further shrouds relativity behind false mystery but it causes in-fighting with like minded people. And in all this unrest more crime and shady dealings crop up thanks to "the populace's mind's have been tainted' or "their in on it."
It's a clusterfuck.
Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:21 pm
Finger
Posts: 73
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:13 am
Location: California
Re: /retry New World Order discussion.
Kni7es wrote:
New World Order conspiracy theories are a dynamic and varied cancer on our society. What any given NWO conspiracy theorist believes in is largely irrelevant because it will fluctuate from person-to-person as times change and events unfold. They draw upon any given instance of government secrecy and/or complexity, and correlate that with other (oftentimes) unrelated instances. For instance: a NWO conspiracy theorist can, through a marvelous display of mental gymnastics, correlate the Swine Flu epidemic with rumors of FEMA concentration camps.
The theories themselves are just as varied as the nuts who cook them up. What is more important is what they share in common. NWO conspiracies represent a way of looking at the world; an incredibly paranoid, yet remarkably lazy way of understanding how things work. The actual structure of civilization is an incredibly complex thing, and understanding it requires knowledge of the vast and dynamic governmental, social, and economic institutions that we are all a part of. Actually educating one's self about how the many branches of government work, as well as its subsidiary organizations, and the financial institutions, and social outlets like mass media, and so on and so fourth, requires a lot of time, mental exertion, and intellectual stamina.
Some people who just simply do not have the will or the capacity to learn about these things rationalize the world in a different way. Rather than the world being run by a complex network of governments, banks, businesses, firms, and people like you and me, they conclude that it is being run by a Shadow Government, or a New World Order. Everything else that they were too lazy or stupid to learn about are just puppets thrown up on a stage to distract us, while unseen forces manipulate their pawns from behind the curtain. None of that hard-to-understand stuff is real to them, it's all just part of one big simplified conspiracy.
What he said.
Paranoia + Apophenia - Intelligence = NWO Conspiracy Theory
Artist for Red Oasis
Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:01 am
e2iPi
Posts: 283
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Re: /retry New World Order discussion.
Benjamin Franklin summed up my feelings on virtually every conspiracy theory
"Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead."
e2iPi
"One God to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."
Tolkien was SO close.
Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:38 am
jus10ls
Posts: 10
Joined: Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:23 am
Location: Bible Belt (Hell), USA
Re: /retry New World Order discussion.
It's all the doing of the evul Bilderberg Group!!!1111
I have no respect for a family of freemasons look at the respect they had for the guy hanging off the 911 towers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbPk9MXVxcs
you probably laughed when they fell!
http://forums.leagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=700
/retry New World Order discussion.
I tried to get into the last thread about this concept, but it seemed to be a cluster-fuck. I do not know much about the New World Order theories,
Dean Roger Ray:really you do not know much!
mostly because everyone who believes in it seems to have a differing opinion from each other.
DeanRoger Ray: The league of reason values opinion more than truth?
So, I would like to hear some discussion on what exactly is connected with the idea of a New World Order and who could agree with what concepts.
Dean Roger Ray: discussion is good !
From as far as I can gather, part of it includes the 9-11 conspiracy theory.
Dean Roger Ray: hold on you brag to be scientists which conspiracy theory???
Now, disbelief in such a conspiracy is purely skepticism, or I have yet to see any evidence against it.
Dean roger ray: what??!!! which conspiracy theory who wrote it where is it!
I do not believe in this personally,
Dean Roger Ray : I aggree you never mentioned who what where when why your basically relying on the word conspiracy to represent all theories!
yet I wish it were true in the sense that it would make George Bush and those associated with him all the more interesting historically.
Dean Roger RAy: More interesting historically you sound like the movie "fight club" where people just want to see hatred and violence. Where is the science this is an emotion and not a good one!
Also, FEMA camps has to do with it; however, I still do not know a shit about them.
Dean Roger Ray: please explain ...oops oh yeah it is a conspiracy theory and you mentioned that earlier! What about the fema camps I am interested!
Others I have heard of but know even less about are the Amero (Currency?), the universal I.D., NAFTA (Don't know how this ties in), and maybe a couple of others.
Dean Roger Ray: What is going on there? oh yeah it is another conspiracy like you mentioned before?
Anyway, I think it will provide some interesting conversation lest it goes off topic like it seemed the last thread did. Again, if you know what other ideas are connected with the NWO, present them. If you like or dislike any of the ideas, explain why.
Dean Roger Ray: is the last thread here? did you delete it.why? this information is not very knowledgeable!
Mon May 11, 2009 6:11 am
Aluman
Posts: 12
Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:12 pm
Re: /retry New World Order discussion.
While I do not think they were directly behind it, we do know (now) that Cheney and other did want some kind of event like 9/11 to occur so that they could basically fight whatever wars they wanted without worrying about it.
Dean Roger Ray : simplified 911 inside job perhaps?
However this isn't NWO.
Dean Roger RAy: really
NWO at its original state was the UN taking over the world.
Dean Roger RAy: http://web.archive.org/web/20041209155137/http://www.seanscreenplays.com/BeteNoireCD/Articles1/HIDDEN+POWER.htm
Which is a joke as the UN would have to put it to several subcomitties and at least one of the security council would veto it.
Dean Roger Ray : How did the oil for food scandle get through all those committies?
http://www.oilforfoodfacts.org/
Tue May 12, 2009 4:14 am
Kni7es
Posts: 1
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Re: /retry New World Order discussion.
New World Order conspiracy theories are a dynamic and varied cancer on our society.
Dean Roger RAy: What conspiricies who said it why where when who why? is this the reason you are mad about conspiracy theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory Conspiracy theory is just a label you put on certain events how could the label be cancerous? Are you saying the people of society with opinions and investigative ability are a cancer?
What any given NWO conspiracy theorist believes in is largely irrelevant because it will fluctuate from person-to-person as times change and events unfold.
Dean Roger Ray: Which is the Nwo you talk about History or your label Conspiracy?
They draw upon any given instance of government secrecy and/or complexity, and correlate that with other (oftentimes) unrelated instances. For instance: a NWO conspiracy theorist can, through a marvelous display of mental gymnastics, correlate the Swine Flu epidemic with rumors of FEMA concentration camps.
Dean Roger Ray: so what if he or she is right! People could check on their government make sure it does not have a bunch of crazy fanatics in charge!
The theories themselves are just as varied as the nuts who cook them up.
Dean Roger Ray: for people who do not know so much about the actual theories you sure know how to label the authors of "conspiracy theories"
What is more important is what they share in common. NWO conspiracies represent a way of looking at the world; an incredibly paranoid, yet remarkably lazy way of understanding how things work.
Dean Roger RAy: This silly rant has become important! This is the science behind the league of reason?
The actual structure of civilization is an incredibly complex thing, and understanding it requires knowledge of the vast and dynamic governmental, social, and economic institutions that we are all a part of. Actually educating one's self about how the many branches of government work, as well as its subsidiary organizations, and the financial institutions, and social outlets like mass media, and so on and so fourth, requires a lot of time, mental exertion, and intellectual stamina.
Dean Roger Ray: You have covered all this in the league of reason? where?
Some people who just simply do not have the will or the capacity to learn about these things rationalize the world in a different way. Rather than the world being run by a complex network of governments, banks, businesses, firms, and people like you and me, they conclude that it is being run by a Shadow Government, or a New World Order. Everything else that they were too lazy or stupid to learn about are just puppets thrown up on a stage to distract us, while unseen forces manipulate their pawns from behind the curtain. None of that hard-to-understand stuff is real to them, it's all just part of one big simplified conspiracy.
Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:01 am
Dean Roger ray: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuASoVK8f9c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8wwMFmCeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJfIxKmuxbs
Artsysiridean
Posts: 95
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:32 am
Re: /retry New World Order discussion.
Of all places that I first heard some of these things it was high school, a few kids having been hung up on this until the Da Vinci Code came along. I can still remember some of the things that caught my attention and made me skeptical of the world until a few moments later, when logic kicked in. As convoluted as all these things seem I'm rather surprised everyone tries to unite each other under a personal banner of what is and what isn't. It doesn't matter if these theories are true or false, they just seem to rely on each other more then anything.
Dean Roger Ray: Why is there freemason in every country every town every lodge. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IBlz1_J-rY
I'll be frank, though. I do doubt some things concerning the government, but only in a very shallow sense. Living at the nations capital I've yet to see any hush hush goings on that could lead to giangantic scandals other then Bush feigning being a dimwit and our Metro system seeming to be as safe as riding on a Boeing 737. Things that piss me off are like "Teh stonemasons were secretive so they're all evil and runnin' shit'" as well as "X looks like X so X is X" because it's causes so many problems.
Dean Roger Ray : http://www.calodges.org/no406/FAMASONS.HTM
One of which being people come by graveyards and sites that wouldn't be worth a damn if not for some mention involving one of these conspiracies, and property values skyrocket to impossiblity, happening everywhere every so often it's like playing the stock market.
DeanRoger Ray : hmmm lost ya there?????
Then there's being branded "brainwashed by x" because you live here, despite being otherwise off the radar thanks to (let's say) lots of political in-fighting and high crime rates that not even the Patriot Act can incur wrath upon. It's an ad hominem attack that hits hard because, as it's said before, sometimes conspiracy theorists are too lazy to come to well thought out conclusions. It not only further shrouds relativity behind false mystery but it causes in-fighting with like minded people. And in all this unrest more crime and shady dealings crop up thanks to "the populace's mind's have been tainted' or "their in on it."
Dean Roger Ray: that is what the constitution is for to protect people rights....Protect people from dumb idiots like you!
It's a clusterfuck.
Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:21 pm
Finger
Dean Roger Ray : I do aggree your whole site is on big cluster screw
Posts: 73
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:13 am
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Re: /retry New World Order discussion.
Kni7es wrote:
New World Order conspiracy theories are a dynamic and varied cancer on our society. What any given NWO conspiracy theorist believes in is largely irrelevant because it will fluctuate from person-to-person as times change and events unfold. They draw upon any given instance of government secrecy and/or complexity, and correlate that with other (oftentimes) unrelated instances. For instance: a NWO conspiracy theorist can, through a marvelous display of mental gymnastics, correlate the Swine Flu epidemic with rumors of FEMA concentration camps.
Dean Roger Ray: I suppose it was a conspiracy when antoinette said "let them eat cake" You show no love of people yet you claim to be the league of reason!
The theories themselves are just as varied as the nuts who cook them up.
Dean Roger Ray: So your theory on conspiracy theory does not make you a nut!
What is more important is what they share in common. NWO conspiracies represent a way of looking at the world; an incredibly paranoid, yet remarkably lazy way of understanding how things work. The actual structure of civilization is an incredibly complex thing, and understanding it requires knowledge of the vast and dynamic governmental, social, and economic institutions that we are all a part of. Actually educating one's self about how the many branches of government work, as well as its subsidiary organizations, and the financial institutions, and social outlets like mass media, and so on and so fourth, requires a lot of time, mental exertion, and intellectual stamina.
Some people who just simply do not have the will or the capacity to learn about these things rationalize the world in a different way. Rather than the world being run by a complex network of governments, banks, businesses, firms, and people like you and me, they conclude that it is being run by a Shadow Government, or a New World Order. Everything else that they were too lazy or stupid to learn about are just puppets thrown up on a stage to distract us, while unseen forces manipulate their pawns from behind the curtain. None of that hard-to-understand stuff is real to them, it's all just part of one big simplified conspiracy.
Dean Roger Ray: when rational people like yourselves come up with these theories how do we label your theories? How do you escape the label nutters when you talk of your theories?
What he said.
Paranoia + Apophenia - Intelligence = NWO Conspiracy Theory
Artist for Red Oasis
Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:01 am
e2iPi
Posts: 283
Joined: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:40 pm
Re: /retry New World Order discussion.
Benjamin Franklin summed up my feelings on virtually every conspiracy theory
"Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead."
Dean Roger Ray: I aggree secrets must be kept kill all these people and you are safe! And the world will be a much safer place without these weirdos hey wait a minute this guy sound slike platoon commander!
e2iPi
"One God to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."
Tolkien was SO close.
Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:38 am
jus10ls
Posts: 10
Joined: Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:23 am
Location: Bible Belt (Hell), USA
Re: /retry New World Order discussion.
It's all the doing of the evul Bilderberg Group!!!1111
Dean Roger RAy : bilderburgs the top freemasons? I aggree!
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